What do we ask people to do?

it does need updating

ideas here will be placed there.

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by: DemFromCT @ Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 07:38:55 AM CDT

"ideas here will be placed there" - yeah, that's what i meant

some ideas:

1.- Learn essentials (citizen's guide).

2.- Look at *some* local consequences (with a small guide for doing so) ... "just horrible enough".

3.- Sign petition (just after you've read the essentials) ... perhaps not too useful in the grand scheme of things, but we facilitate people *doing* something (no, they shouldn't stop here at all!)

4.- Make a plan http://www.codeready...

5.- Stock up, in practice, for 2 weeks, and as soon as you THINK you're done, start stocking up for 4 weeks etc.

6.- Organise some simple things with your neighbors and extended family (mutual care in times of crisis, etc).

7.- Tell your neighbor (i.e. give them a copy of the citizen's guide).

8.- Tell your school, boss, PH official, water and sewage folks, etc.

9.- Go back to learning a bit more and repeat the whole thing.  (Two "stop points": the pandemic comes OR you feel ready enough.)

I'm not sure if this is the most useful order for individual action, and maybe we need to tell them so.  We should highlight 5 and 6, maybe.

Are there items missing?

The goal would be to welcome a newbie and help her become a jedi master in no time.  (What we would have liked for us, perhaps.)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 08:36:17 AM CDT

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#2 can lead to a short self-assessment of "adjustment reaction"

i.e., it's alright if you feel overwhelmed, in denial, etc.

We can be proactive in not letting them get stuck there.

After all, WE are the jedi masters in feeling overwhelmed, are we not?  ;-)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 08:40:34 AM CDT

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Get in touch with head of emergency planning?

In our town in Massachusetts, the fire chief is in charge of emergency response. The town is organizing classes for first aid and emergency response worker-assistants, although a lot of their planning is to get people to shelter together, which of course might be counterproductive in a pandemic. If there is someone in charge like this interested in trying to do more community outreach and inclusion, I suppose contacting that person would be one way to get more people involved.

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by: INFOMASS @ Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 15:31:44 PM CDT

a good slogan for panflu

"think globally, ACT locally."

If there ever was a situation where that slogan fits, panflu prep is it.

I would urge people to get themselves, their family, their friends, and their neighbors on the prepwagon.  Once all your immediate acquaintance is prepped, THEN worry about helping the folks you don't know.

As far as I am concerned, talking to the local emergency preparedness people is a waste of breath.  They are not listening.  My wife had a local emergency planner tell her- "influenza pandemic?  Nope, they haven't said anything about that.  No, I have no need to look at anything you've got.  Goodbye."

My response was-  " 'They' will  be sorreee!  Honey, don't worry about it- think of it as evolution in action."

KEEP THE GRID UP!
Prudent People Prepare Properly

"better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it!"

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by: LMWatBullRun @ Mon Oct 01, 2007 at 20:53:10 PM CDT

PLEASE CHECK: page now reflects suggested sequence for newbies!

http://www.fluwikie....  (at the bottom of the page unless we change the whole page)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 02:50:08 AM CDT

lugon, I don't understand the "Water" flashmob

page.  It's "Read only" now.  No posting?

"The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it."  Flannery O'Connor

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by: Jane @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 11:37:04 AM CDT

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Looks like an old thread that was archived

Perhaps Mr. pogge might be able to help! ;-)

Let's do this == Mr. pogge, sir...could you restore Forum.CooperativeThinkingWater for us?

Thank you sir

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by: Bronco Bill @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 15:04:44 PM CDT

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i think the Water thread was useful and is not needed now?

CooperativeThinkingWater was a thread (now we call them diaries, but they are all conversations) to help create http://www.fluwikie.... which is now more or less complete (I would say).

It was our first attempt at thinking with formal goals, as in "first we should look for data describing the situation, then for things that could go wrong, then for ways to solve those problems, etc".

I remember seeing two similar comments, I think by Monotreme and Okieman, about Water Supply, and we created a thread to deal with it purposefully.  It worked!

I think such an approach might work locally if people are interested: having a set of abstract questions to guide discussion leading to operative solutions.  And such "guides" are of course rules waiting to be broken at the first symptom of "this doesn't work for us or for this kind of problem".  But it did get us going in this instance.

We tried CooperativeThinkingEnergy and it was a much harder task.  It didn't work so well at all.  I wonder if it would be better now, with more people and different forum software.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 17:07:43 PM CDT

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Maybe we should repoint the water link

This line:

We have started a "flashmob" to think practically, creatively, cooperatively about some priorities. We're starting with Water. Join us, bring your friends, and cooperate!

Could be reworded and repointed to Consequences.Water or some such? Maybe...?

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by: Bronco Bill @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 19:09:31 PM CDT

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or maybe just suggest that people do their flashmobs locally,

taking what we did as an example?  that would be more in tune with the new section ... and "how to help" can also include "how to wiki", "how to youtube" and maybe other things under the "how to help" broad area ... (hey, this keeps evolving!)

"how to open space locally", too ...

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 03:02:28 AM CDT

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the "flashmob" idea was to ask people to focus on some specific

area in need of thinking, data and format.

It happens more or less spontaneously with the new forum platform.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 17:09:23 PM CDT

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i think the flashmob part can safely be deleted - it distracts us with no real purpose

i wonder what other things on that page can be deleted - or at least pushed to the bottom of the page for the time being

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 17:10:24 PM CDT

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in fact, I asked Nedra for help with improving fluwikie.com

http://blog.pandemic... (comment #4):

On a smaller note (this is not about wikipages), Flu Wiki (and I guess other sites too) could use a user-centered redesign, too. We need some specialists to lend a hand (hint, hint). We have tried, and since the beginning we started drafting things like Tour Level I but, quite frankly, we could use some help.

She volunteered by kind private email, but I wasn't able to follow this issue, as other things got in the way.

I wonder if there could be some guiding help from experts in this regard.  The goal would be to make the wiki http://www.fluwikie.... more useful to people who pay us a visit.

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 17:16:03 PM CDT

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yes, we can do with more volunteers ;-)

I appreciate all those who have done so much, but many of us are maxed out already, so it's hard to prioritize sometimes, speaking only for myself of course. 

Dem has done a lot more than I have on the wiki side, and lugon and some others have been quietly putting stuff into place, but we can always do with a lot more hands.  Hint!  Hint!

;-)



All 'safety concerns' are hypothetical.  If not, they'd be called side effects...

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by: SusanC @ Tue Oct 02, 2007 at 21:19:43 PM CDT

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actually, i woke up thinking we need a "how to wiki"

just like we have "Simple HTML I" (and II) below the swans on the upper-left corner of this site.  That would be an efficient and permanent "hint! hint!" thingie.

I may start it later, but anyone willing to run now can start it.  Just with a question as a place holder.  We'll all contribute later with more questions, answers, etc.  And there can be a more polished diary at a later stage.

If someone starts it, please say so as a comment to this!

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 02:49:41 AM CDT

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Organizing wiki information

Some of this exists already but here are some thoughts as someone who needs information but has little time to read everything that is posted or spend a lot of time searching.

The same would apply to a first time visitor overwhelmed by the volume of information.  A section that is organized as a kind of library (if it already exists my apology) in this section there would be materials but not a lot of dialog from wiki participants.  My reason is when I am trying to put together a presentation, I want to be able to have easy to access information.  I don't have time to read all the comments and everyone's ideas.  The comments could be accessed perhaps through a link in the diary if I want to drill deeper.  This would be read only no comments - it would require a librarian to make sure information is stored here. 

These are the sections of the library I would like. 
? Studies;
? Preparedness Planning Recommendation; State, Local and Federal Plans, non government organizations
? Presentation tools - links to canned presentations, brochures, posters and quotable quotes;
? Political Action - this would include the petition, sample letters, grassroots action plans, and questions for candidates (I would suggest it be linked to a calendar of events such as hearings, debates, and media events). 
? Calendar (described previously);
? Allies and outreach (lists of groups and individuals you may want to reach out to (this would be broken down into local (civic groups etc., state legislators and governors, national (agencies and Congress), International.  This could include links to either groups or directories.

I recognize the librarian idea is time consuming - a couple of ideas.  Posters would agree that when posting to these sections they will refrain from commenting; or material for these sections would be posted into a "resource bucket" and a group of regulars would have the responsibility of monitoring the bucket (being librarians) and posting to appropriate locations. 

I'm not sure this is what you were looking for - if not disregard or use what you would like - my system now it to capture good ideas on my favorites list or email the link to myself.  Neither is very efficient and both lists are getting very long.  After looking at multiple other sites fluwiki is probably the easiest to use, most proactive and helpful.  In my view it will be THE resource people will turn to - that being the case these are the things I would like to see in the next evolution. 

I also considered if these were too US centered and though while much of the material is - all of them can accommodate international information. 

Thanks for reading my wish list. 

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by: spartan @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 08:34:58 AM CDT

hmmm wp bullets don't translate - sorry

ok so maybe they really are question marks.

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by: spartan @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 08:36:26 AM CDT

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spartan, two sites

Not sure if you're aware of this, and my apologies if you do:

- http://www.fluwikie.... hosts the wiki: more than 2 thousand pages, each of them with text and links, which can be updated by anyone, and where time doesn't matter because we always see the updated version.  The wiki is a structured-information space.

- http://www.newfluwik... hosts the forum: a growing number of "diaries", each with a "head" created by the person who starts the "diary", and with a "tail" of comments and comments to comments (so that the tail looks like an up-side-down tree).  Both the "head" and the comments in the "tail" have time-stamps, and there's no easy way to change what was said.  The forum is a conversation space.

Librarians can work on the wiki: we can create fresh pages with links to other pages, so that there are "content pages" (with information) and "menu pages" (with links to content pages).  Librarians can take care of said "menu pages" so that they are useful to people who come looking for content and who access that content from the edges, so to speak.

Librarians can also lend a hand at the forum, by tagging diaries.  (They can't do much else in this regard, because at the forum, what was said was said, while at the wiki each page can be modified by anyone as needed.)  You can see the "Tags" for any diary just above the small printer icon that sits just below the main entry (before the first comment).  This diary's tag is "activist" right now.

I think all your suggestions refer to the wiki, not the forum.

I think I'll start a diary to help people work at the wiki, effectively sharing the load of "librarianship" ... later.

(I hope this wasn't confusing, as it was written in a hurry.)

You arm yourself to the teeth just in case.  You don't leave the gun near the baby's hand.

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by: lugon @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 09:23:00 AM CDT

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Some new Tags added to this diary... n/t

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by: Bronco Bill @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 09:45:30 AM CDT

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Yes it makes sense

The comments would more aptly apply to the organization of the wiki. 

That said, somehow the linkage (complementry role) between the two should/could be more apparent to newcomers and the wiki challenged.  A clear link on the forum titled "resource library" would be great. 

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by: spartan @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 10:09:30 AM CDT

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Cross posting

If I wanted to post resources on the wiki is there a way to post on the wiki and have it show up on the forum indicating a new resource is available? 

If something is posted on the wiki, is there a "what is new" for logged on forum participants? Flagging new items?

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by: spartan @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 10:28:46 AM CDT

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there is a "last 50 posts" availability

here:

http://www.fluwikie....

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by: DemFromCT @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 12:01:07 PM CDT

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in the contact box on the main page

there's something called Flu Wiki.

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by: DemFromCT @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 12:02:39 PM CDT

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Yes, I understand that but..

to someone new it is not clear that it is different from the forum and what the difference is.  Niether is it clears that it is a resouce center/or that it is the home for resources.  It could also be confused as the old site (forum) and nothing more. 

Just some thoughts.

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by: spartan @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 12:39:58 PM CDT

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I can add (wiki resource) in parentheses

but my experience is that the wiki and forum have two completely different audiences.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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by: DemFromCT @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 13:10:54 PM CDT

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That would be great

I think your right in my case I came to the forum for news and updates since I had limited time.  Once the forum moved I never quite understood that the old wiki was still being updated and served as the resouce center. Ok, I admit I may have not read all of the lead up or transition information or maybe I am just wiki challenged.  I can't help but wonder if there would be more cross over if it was more evident that the two were interactive (or put another way under one umbrella). 

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by: spartan @ Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 13:51:27 PM CDT

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Carnegie Mellon - Pandemic Planning Protocol

Carnegie Mellon - Pandemic Planning Protocol
Trigger for school closures Phase 2 (see below)

http://ehs-alert.fms...

Pandemic Planning

Last updated May 11, 2007 3:38 PM

Pandemic Planning Protocol

Avian Influenza Response (Phases)
1. Pre-event planning: no or very limited human-to-human transmission.

2. Sustained cases of human-to-human transmission of a highly virulent strain avian flu with cases appearing in a city with an international airport anywhere in the world.

3. Cases of influenza in Pittsburgh and/or the surrounding metropolitan area [Only personnel performing essential functions required to report to campus.]

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by: spartan @ Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 10:47:00 AM CDT

Colleges Protocol - Closure Level/Phase 2 n/t

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by: spartan @ Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 10:48:55 AM CDT

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